The question is “retirement?” The answer is no.
Posted by Lise on 28 Oct 2008 at 10:41 am | Tagged as: personal finance
Trent at The Simple Dollar happened to link a much older article of his recently, A Closer Look at Money Magazine’s Retirement Benchmarks, from April 2007.
I’ll blockquote the benchmarks he blockquoted, just for the sake of discussion:
Assuming you want to retire at age 60 and plan to have no pension and no job in retirement, you need to haveā¦
1.6 times your salary in savings at age 35
3.5 times your salary in savings at age 40
5.8 times your salary in savings at age 45
8.5 times your salary in savings at age 50
11.9 times your salary in savings at age 55
16.0 times your salary in savings at age 60
A lot of other stuff is figured in here: retirement at 60 with 80% of your current salary withdrawn each year, Social Security kicking in at age 62, an annual real rate of return of 4%, and 4% withdrawn every year.
Trent uses the example of Joe (the Plumber?) with a salary of $50,000. Joe needs to have $80,000 at age 35 to be on track with these benchmarks. Trent goes on to say that Joe needs to save $5,000 a year at 9% interest annually (This is how we can tell it was written in 2007!), or around $100 each week, if he starts saving at age 25, to reach this goal.
Okay, well, that’s great for Joe. I asked myself, what about me?
Right now I’m 28, my salary is $45,000 per year and I have about $10,000 in my 401(k) and IRA (I’m not counting my husband in any of this, just to simplify). I’m currently putting $56 per pay period x 26 paychecks per year = $1456/year into my 401(k). That means at 35 I’ll need a total of $72,000 to be on track.
I’m not going to assume a 9% annual return. But I’m not going to be a total pessimist, either. My money will need to grow at least 3% annually to keep up with inflation. I can earn 3.5 – 4.0% sticking it in a savings account (though that’s not tax-protected, of course). Since I’m investing every other week, I’m going to assume I have the power of dollar-cost averaging on my side. So let’s go with a more conservative 5%, and let’s take that number over to a compound interest calculator.
Here’s how it looks with the current amount I’m putting in per week (I’m assuming six years to grow because I only have about six months to my birthday):
Okay, $23,799 is a leeeeetle far off benchmark.
So how much extra WOULD I need to put away every pay period in order to meet this benchmark?
I would need to be saving $8,205 annually in order to meet my age 35 benchmark. That’s $6,729 MORE than I’m saving now in my retirement. That means I need to be putting away $316 per pay period, or $260 more than I currently am.
Can anyone be expected to save this much? That’s functionally a 16.9% savings rate. The average savings rate in the U.S. currently is less than 1% – not that I condone that, but let’s be realistic.
This is why I’m starting to think that Retirement, with a capital R, is not the answer. Maybe mini-retirements, a la Tim Ferriss, are, however.
And here’s the next part, for me: instead of putting $316 a month into my retirement, my husband and I are putting $500 extra/month towards our mortgage. Is this a smart choice? I’ll talk about that next time.
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[...] by Lise on 30 Oct 2008 at 12:00 pm | Tagged as: personal finance Yesterday I talked about Money magazine’s retirement benchmarks, circa 2007. I explored the fact that I would need $72,000 at age 35 by these standards, or that I would need to [...]
I realize this is a year old, but I thought I’d write this anyway. I mean, it was posted on my birthday. ;)
I don’t think it’s entirely unreasonable to save that much. I live in SoCal, I’m 28 and single, and I’m making ~$75K a year. I’ve got about $80K in my 401K, $30K in a Roth IRA, and $20K in a brokerage account as a house fund. I put $200/wk ($867/mo) into the brokerage account, $5K/yr into the Roth, and about $1300/mo into the 401K. My savings rate (gross income) is over 40%, and I’m trying to get that higher (just found http://earlyretirementextreme.com and he’s an inspiration, and is also how I found this site :). I think the two biggest savings for me are that I don’t have a car payment (paid cash for a used one) and my rent is fairly cheap ($520/mo studio, includes utilities). I still go out to eat occasionally, travel in the US about once a month, internationally about once per year (frequent flyer miles from the credit card == 2 free tickets to Australia, where I visited friends and friends of friends so that we had free places to stay, and I’ve returned the favor when they visit the US), have (non-free) hobbies, and live a fairly comfortable life. I don’t buy things very often though, other than food. I want a new phone, or an iPhone, but I don’t need one. I finally bought a new computer last year, but it was on sale and replaced one that was 8 years old. I have a TV that was a hand-me down (15 years old or more maybe?), but still works just fine. I’m not the most frugal person on the planet by far, but I’ve come to realize experiences are what’s important, and stuff just makes my small apartment more cluttered. :D
PS, on the cats: I had an ex living in a 100 sq. ft. apartment (5×20), with two cats. He and the cats all survived just fine for about 4 years. The cats just learned to run in a smaller space, and to have fun hiding under the futon. :)
It’s okay if you’re late to the party! I’ve been trashing so many spam comments lately that it’s good to see a real one.
Early Retirement Extreme is great, isn’t it? Jacob is a real inspiration to me, even if our lifestyles are very different right now.
I think the big difference between the two of us that makes you able to save 40% of your income and me… well, almost nothing right now is a) your income, and b) your housing expenses.
You do earn more than I ever did at my best full-time job, and right now I’m only semi-employed (I prefer to say “launching my freelance career”), to boot, so I probably only made about $20-30K in 2009. Of course, I’m also married, and my husband makes around what you do, but of course two of us tends to mean double the expenses.
Housing expenses are the biggie in my life, since we have a mortgage that eats up roughly $3,000 a month. It was manageable when I had a full-time job, and I was socking away some money, but since losing my job it’s really much more of a struggle to get through each month. Buying a house is one of those things that, if I had to do over again, I wouldn’t do! (I’m sure Jacob would agree).
Bleh, I feel like the worst frugality blogger EVAR lately, which is probably why I haven’t been posting.